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> <channel><title>Comments on: Designers, don&#8217;t give your work away for free</title> <atom:link href="http://5thirtyone.com/archives/759/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://5thirtyone.com/archives/759</link> <description>A personal site by Derek Punsalan sharing personal interests with technology, WordPress, design, and general geekery.</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:25:29 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0</generator> <item><title>By: SHANMAC</title><link>http://5thirtyone.com/archives/759/comment-page-1#comment-47780</link> <dc:creator>SHANMAC</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:46:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://5thirtyone.com/archives/759#comment-47780</guid> <description>I probably would have stopped reading at the $2 million.  Too good to be true.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I probably would have stopped reading at the $2 million.  Too good to be true.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Alex</title><link>http://5thirtyone.com/archives/759/comment-page-1#comment-44167</link> <dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:21:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://5thirtyone.com/archives/759#comment-44167</guid> <description>Completely agree with you Derek, nice article. I always direct any potential clients to work that I have previously created for others. I&#039;ve found that there are many individuals and companies that try to tap into or trick you into giving it up for free, and if you ask me, it sounds like a waste of time. You always have to keep a sharp eye out in the business world. Charging an hourly rate or fee for sample work (or Pitch) is completely logical to do, I do it and if they disagree I simply yell out &quot;Next&quot;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agree with you Derek, nice article. I always direct any potential clients to work that I have previously created for others. I&#8217;ve found that there are many individuals and companies that try to tap into or trick you into giving it up for free, and if you ask me, it sounds like a waste of time. You always have to keep a sharp eye out in the business world. Charging an hourly rate or fee for sample work (or Pitch) is completely logical to do, I do it and if they disagree I simply yell out &#8220;Next&#8221;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Viking KARWUR</title><link>http://5thirtyone.com/archives/759/comment-page-1#comment-43519</link> <dc:creator>Viking KARWUR</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:00:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://5thirtyone.com/archives/759#comment-43519</guid> <description>Thanks for the articles.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the articles.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Derek</title><link>http://5thirtyone.com/archives/759/comment-page-1#comment-43412</link> <dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 02:17:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://5thirtyone.com/archives/759#comment-43412</guid> <description>Chanpory, a sick feeling in my gut as well. I can&#039;t imagine how many people this email went out to and how many designs the perp received in return.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chanpory, a sick feeling in my gut as well. I can&#8217;t imagine how many people this email went out to and how many designs the perp received in return.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chanpory</title><link>http://5thirtyone.com/archives/759/comment-page-1#comment-43376</link> <dc:creator>Chanpory</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:01:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://5thirtyone.com/archives/759#comment-43376</guid> <description>Unpaid speculative work including design &quot;contests&quot; always leave a bad taste in my mouth when I hear about them. No one asks a therapist for sample counseling sessions before hiring. Or a mechanic for a free trial repair. So, it&#039;s frustrating to see companies who insist that designers show mock-ups and design explorations before getting &quot;awarded&quot; a project. In your case, Derek, this practice is taken to a new level by dangling a 2-million dollar carrot in a spam-like email. It might as well ask you to transfer money to a Nigerian bank account in promise of riches.The AIGA&#039;s website has some opinions at the matter, essentially calling it downright unethical:http://www.aiga.org/content.cfm?CategoryID=105DesignObserver also has some heated debate about spec work with Michael Beirut chiming in on the contest for designing INside Innovation magazine:http://www.designobserver.com/archives/014697.html</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unpaid speculative work including design &#8220;contests&#8221; always leave a bad taste in my mouth when I hear about them. No one asks a therapist for sample counseling sessions before hiring. Or a mechanic for a free trial repair. So, it&#8217;s frustrating to see companies who insist that designers show mock-ups and design explorations before getting &#8220;awarded&#8221; a project. In your case, Derek, this practice is taken to a new level by dangling a 2-million dollar carrot in a spam-like email. It might as well ask you to transfer money to a Nigerian bank account in promise of riches.</p><p>The AIGA&#8217;s website has some opinions at the matter, essentially calling it downright unethical:</p><p><a
href="http://www.aiga.org/content.cfm?CategoryID=105" rel="nofollow">http://www.aiga.org/content.cfm?CategoryID=105</a></p><p>DesignObserver also has some heated debate about spec work with Michael Beirut chiming in on the contest for designing INside Innovation magazine:</p><p><a
href="http://www.designobserver.com/archives/014697.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.designobserver.com/archives/014697.html</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Derek</title><link>http://5thirtyone.com/archives/759/comment-page-1#comment-43365</link> <dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:04:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://5thirtyone.com/archives/759#comment-43365</guid> <description>[quote comment=&quot;43334&quot;]The guys from the fake lotteries have come to the designers now?[/quote]They must have. WIth a budget of $2 million, it sounds like designers are the new high rollers.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="43334"]The guys from the fake lotteries have come to the designers now?[/quote]</p><p>They must have. WIth a budget of $2 million, it sounds like designers are the new high rollers.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Auke</title><link>http://5thirtyone.com/archives/759/comment-page-1#comment-43334</link> <dc:creator>Auke</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 07:18:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://5thirtyone.com/archives/759#comment-43334</guid> <description>The guys from the fake lotteries have come to the designers now?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guys from the fake lotteries have come to the designers now?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Zach katkin</title><link>http://5thirtyone.com/archives/759/comment-page-1#comment-43328</link> <dc:creator>Zach katkin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:33:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://5thirtyone.com/archives/759#comment-43328</guid> <description>Great points, couldn&#039;t agree with you more that this is total bullshit. I also am not a fan of design awards, where companies get to choose from a host of designs for nothing, or next to nothing. I think too often, too many companies take advantage of freelance print and web designers, it has gotten so bad that the entire industry is in some respects marginalized and people have come to expect the world for nothing (or next to nothing).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points, couldn&#8217;t agree with you more that this is total bullshit. I also am not a fan of design awards, where companies get to choose from a host of designs for nothing, or next to nothing. I think too often, too many companies take advantage of freelance print and web designers, it has gotten so bad that the entire industry is in some respects marginalized and people have come to expect the world for nothing (or next to nothing).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Brent</title><link>http://5thirtyone.com/archives/759/comment-page-1#comment-43325</link> <dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 01:12:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://5thirtyone.com/archives/759#comment-43325</guid> <description>Heck yeah! I completely agree. I hate it when I am asked to deliver free &quot;comps&quot; to win a design project. My product is my time, I don&#039;t have a widget to sell, all I have is time. You wouldn&#039;t walk into a restaurant and ask them to serve you three meals and you &quot;might&quot; pay for one if you like it enough. Same principal here. Right on, my friend!Kudos!Brent</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heck yeah! I completely agree. I hate it when I am asked to deliver free &#8220;comps&#8221; to win a design project. My product is my time, I don&#8217;t have a widget to sell, all I have is time. You wouldn&#8217;t walk into a restaurant and ask them to serve you three meals and you &#8220;might&#8221; pay for one if you like it enough. Same principal here. Right on, my friend!</p><p>Kudos!</p><p>Brent</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ben Bleikamp</title><link>http://5thirtyone.com/archives/759/comment-page-1#comment-43315</link> <dc:creator>Ben Bleikamp</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:00:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://5thirtyone.com/archives/759#comment-43315</guid> <description>Anytime I get an email like this I simply send them a list of projects that I&#039;ve completed and say &quot;If you can&#039;t get a good idea of my capabilities from this list of projects then give me a call and we can discuss your project in more detail.&quot;  Most of the time I never hear back from them...go figure.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anytime I get an email like this I simply send them a list of projects that I&#8217;ve completed and say &#8220;If you can&#8217;t get a good idea of my capabilities from this list of projects then give me a call and we can discuss your project in more detail.&#8221;  Most of the time I never hear back from them&#8230;go figure.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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